Originally by: Slif

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I would like to throw my two cents in on this one.. specifically to the "this is a PVP oriented game" part. Last time I checked this was a PLAYERS game. There are alot of other play styles that have nothing to do with PVP. I play to relax and have fun, just like the next guy.. and for me that means a bit of mining and running missions. I live in empire and mostly enjoy it there, though I am getting a bit tired of seeing all the great stuff going to 0.0. This game use to have a good balance between safe and unsafe space, with things for all to enjoy. Lately this has been changing and not in positive ways. I agree that changes need to be made, but lets benefit all play types, not just the kind of play you seem to enjoy.

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Originally by: Slif

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I would like to throw my two cents in on this one.. specifically to the "this is a PVP oriented game" part. Last time I checked this was a PLAYERS game. There are alot of other play styles that have nothing to do with PVP. I play to relax and have fun, just like the next guy.. and for me that means a bit of mining and running missions. I live in empire and mostly enjoy it there, though I am getting a bit tired of seeing all the great stuff going to 0.0. This game use to have a good balance between safe and unsafe space, with things for all to enjoy. Lately this has been changing and not in positive ways. I agree that changes need to be made, but lets benefit all play types, not just the kind of play you seem to enjoy.

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Originally by: Larake

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Edited by: Larake on 24/02/2007 15:19:34
Not happy with all this emphasise on moving all the good stuff in low sec and 0.0. I believe the majority of people play the game for good fun where it is to be found in Empire.

I am concerned these mission changes will take the fun in Empire away since low sec and 0.0 are just full of smacktards and chestbeaters. I believe there is no fun to be found in putting up with that sort of behavoir from players everyday. I believe this is the real reason why the majority of people simply dont go there.

I am very concerned that these changes will take the fun out of Empire and instead of encouraging people go to low sec and 0.0 as intended. The majority of people will probably leave and find fun ans satisfaction in other games.

I hope this possible consequence of the changes have been considered by CCP.

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Originally by: Dominious

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There are many many mature pirates that play the game and abide by the legal mechanics of the game. But there are also an infestation of 12-year-old kids that I guess for the lack of insects to torture in real life are resorting to griefing players ANY chance that they get in-game. Remember the abuse of probes in High Ssec? Absolutely no point to probing missioners in High Sec other than to steal cricital loot and aggro whole stages. All for what? To grief. These changes are going to feed these kids' egoes and bring even more of them into the game. This is the main reason I stay in High Sec. Fix the griefing problem and I'll go to Low Sec.

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Originally by: CPL Nobbes

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Oveur in your latest posts you sound a bit confused and to be honest annoyed. I would suggest this is because you quite plainly have no idea of what high sec missioning is about, what goes on in the minds of those who enjoy it or the concept that not everyone devotes themselves to an MMO 24/7.
So here is some help. It's all been said many many times in the previous pages but I feel you are having trouble understanding.
1. There are many individuals and small scale corps that ONLY run lvl4's in high sec. Thats all they. Nothing else.
2. These people currently enjoy there time in Eve as it stands.
2a. They would enjoy some higher level missions that are practically impossible to do solo in the most uber of uber CNR's, with out the added aggravation of gank teams having their fun by ensuring no one else has any.
3. Removal of the most challenging lvl 4's into low sec and replacing them with plenty of less challenging missions more focused on your dream of faction warfare is considered a bad thing. Dont like that. Tough it's what a lot of people think. Get used to it. No amount of buffing or outright propaganda is going to change that.
4. Your quote about only providing choices not forcing has only made you look more arrogant and uncaring because it was quite plainly a load of rubbish. Don't political double speak, you are not very good at it and most can see through it.
5. You complained about the lack of suggestions vice whining. Have you actually read any of the posts. Practically every one of them has a suggestion of one sort or another. I rather suspect you are unhappy that the majority do not support your vision of high sec without challenges for well skilled BS pilots.
6. In the main new content is not the issue even though you have tried to imply it is. The issue is removal of current content to places a lot of people do not want to go.
7. Perhaps you would favour us all with a short list of things that you and your crew consider "too lucrative for high sec", and why.
8. you may not consider the death of high sec lvl 4 missioning as the end of the world but just the mere fact you said that 12 pages into the debate proves you have no concept of what the world of eve actually is to a lot of your paying customers. I mean come on, you just had over a dozen pages of people saying it WAS the bloody end of the world as far as they are concerned.

So if you really want some suggestions here we go
1. Actually listen to the casual and part time eve community and do it from their point of view not the one you currently have.
2. Keep all high sec missions at all levels as challenging and difficult as low sec, just ensure low sec has higher rewards.
3. Forget this idea that Devs will find a way to make low sec the place of choice for a large amount of people. You wont. It's as simple as that.
4. If point 3 is really that much of a burden on CCP then at least have the ******* to be honest about it.
So there it is. If I have been a bit too impolite in places I apologise, but everything I have said I feel needed to be said.

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Originally by: aldruitanzaro

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If this is converted in such a way, the large alliances (BOB, D2, RA, Goons etc.) still more is pushed over to money. all other players lose the desire at the play.

Only my grant opinion

sorry for my bad english

into german:

wenn dies so umgesetzt wird ,wird den gro¯en Alianzen(BOB,D2,RA,Goons u.s.w.)nur noch mehr geld zugeschoben. alle anderen spieler verlieren die lust am spiel.

nur meine bescheiden Meinung

MfG Aldruitanzaro

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Originally by: Different Tan

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The getting ganked while at a mission is easy to fix. Currently you cannot use a MWD in deadspace. Ok. Add warp jammers/disruptors to the list. Now if another player enters the mission area your PVE fitted vunerable pilot can warp out. Unless you bump them to kingdom come

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Originally by: Magnum III

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Originally by: Ishana

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(can't wait to sick our capital pirate fleet on something else then posses btw randsomming them is boring.)

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If you want those bigger fights then why don't you hop on out to 0.0 to get them?

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Originally by: Kieron

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please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things.

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